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Oct 1, 2012 3:00pm PDT
or die. >> you just heard paul ryan say that romney will offer the country a clear choice of two different economic futures. is that what romney needs to do wednesday? is that enough? >> well, i think it would be good to just win the debate. that's my advice to governor romney and it's time to begin panicking a little bit. >> time to begin panicking? but don't worry, governor romney has a solution. zingers. the "new york times" reports that mr. romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing since august. zingers? mr. romney doesn't need zingers. he needs new ideas. he needs a new campaign. truth be told, he needs a new candidate. after all, the guy he's been debating all along has been himself on health care. >> i'm not getting rid of all of health care reform. of course, there are a number of things that i like in health care reform. >> well, of course. i'm going to repeal obama care. i've said that on the campaign trail. i think every single day obama care must be re
Sep 26, 2012 6:00pm EDT
? i s ththa one. >>> plus, mitt romney's crowd is pretty fir up for paul ryan, that is. >> that's my guy,. paul ryan, sbt thisn't that som? wait a second. romney/ryan. romney/ryan. there you go. that's great. >> the cracks are starting to show in the gop bromance. puanouthat by 2012ese folks everybody would look like this. whatever happened to the so-called tea party revolution? this is "politicsnation" on msnbc. >> ladies and gentleme it's time for a new segment. this isal mey it's kind of a joke. watch this. >> my dad used to tell us that one year they ate nothing but potatoes. that was when they lived in idaho. even later in life, my dad e.uldn't look a poto ihe and that's kind of a joke. [ angry ] i just discovered untopped triscuit taste great. oh, it's so good! if this image robbed you of the great taste of untopped triscuit... ...sorry. [ male announcer ] 100% whole grain woven for an untoppable taste. [ crunch ] monarch of marketing analysis. with e ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and from national. because only national lets you choose any car in th
Oct 2, 2012 6:00pm EDT
of making a point we've been making in this campaign. >> now paul ryan has his own secret tape about the 30% who want welfare. >>> and eric cantor and the tea party strutted into washington two years ago pushing radical ideas. now they're hiding from their far right agenda. too bad we won't let them. >>> and this race has been the tale of two mitts, but only can show up for tomorrow night's debate. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. snoou. >>> mitt romney has been preparing for the debate by debating a republican senator, who's playing the part of president obama. yeah. meanwhile, president obama has been preparing for romney by debating an atm machine. ally bank. why they're always there to talk. i love you, james. don't you love me? i'm a robot. i know. i know you're a robot! but there's more in you than just circuits and wires! uhhh. (cries) a machine can't give you what a person can. that's why ally has knowledgeable people there for you, night and day. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> have you checked us out on facebook? the "politicsnation" nation conversation i
Sep 28, 2012 3:00pm PDT
deportation, supporting the paul ryan budget, calling it marvelous, voucher rising medicare. these are wildly unpopular policies that he has stood for and he may not be willing but the democrats are happy to fill in those detail and it's his ideas at the core. >> aside from the politics and the polls -- and we'll go through some of those numbers, i think that when americans hear the choices of the perspective and world view, the big picture view of each candidate, they begin making basic decisions. the reason that 47% tape i think was so powerful against romney is it gave a world view of how he sees the country. >> right. >> and i think that's why we started seeing a whole shift in these polls. >> yeah, i think that's right, reverend. the mask thing by itself is not just positive because we have to remember that there were more george w. bush masks sold in 2000 and al gore actually won that election. so i'm not sure that we can be entirely sure there but it is one kernel there and that's where people are actually focused the most because they are seeing the ads, they are seeing the candidates
Sep 28, 2012 6:00pm EDT
to say was that obama's done his best. he got his stimulus, health care program and here we are. i think that might have nailed him a month ago but something's changed. it could have been something as definite as bill clinton's speech but people don't feel stuck like they did. they think all we need is some other president. that's romney's problem and it's a big one. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, can we predict who will win the election? and to help answer the question, i want to introduce fake governor romney and fake president obama. welcome to "politicsnation" and great to see you. folks, 39 days till the election and there's one way to predict who will win that really does seem to work. it turns out, the sale of presidential halloween masks are actually a great way to know who's going to win. in fact, in the past four elections, halloween masks have determined by their sales they accurately predicted the winner. and guess who is selling more this year? that's right. president obama masks are out selling mitt romney's masks by nearly 40%. congratulations, mr. president. when you think about it, mitt romney's been hiding behind a mask this entire election. a mask he only takes off in quiet rooms, behind closed doors, when he's talking to wealthy donors. but voters don't seem to like it much. and a new fox news poll, yes, fox news poll, shows romney trailing nationally by five points. and get this, he has a lower favorable rating than george w. bush. don't adjust your tv set. mr. romney is less liked than bush. huh? maybe that's something to do with the fact that he can't seem to answer basic questions. >> how was that? >> i have nothing. >> guys, here we go. >> guys -- it's just -- all we've got here is beef jerky? who here wants a piece of beef jerky? that's all i've got. this was given to us by jack link. >> what do you have planned for the weekend? >> anyone else? >> governor romney, they were asking about the debates, about the israeli prime minister, not about beef jerky. now, romney did answer questions from reporters later. but this is what he's done issue after issue, dodge questions and hide behind the mask. but i've got news for mr. romney. the obama campaign is hammering home who the real romney is and what he stands for. he's a candidate who has no problem writing off the country, something that this president refuses to do. >> i'm not fighting to create democrat or republican jobs, i'm creating jobs. i'm fighting to improve schools in the united states of america. i'm not fighting on behalf of rich values or poor values or 53% value. i'm fighting for american values. he's fighting for american values. but the other candidate, the man behind the mask, he's offering us a budget that takes care of the rich but leaves everyone else in the dust. >> show me your budget. i'll tell you what you've got. let's take a look at their budget. why are they doing it? well, they are doing it because they have to. and here's the reason they have to. they cannot possibly, possibly continue to add to the tax cuts of the super wealthy. >> that's what is behind the romney mask. that's what the next 39 days to the election are all about. and a special thank you to our fake president and mitt romney for helping us to predict this election. joining me now unmasked is krystal ball, co-host of "the nik kell" on msnbc and dana milbank. thank you both for being here this evening. >> thank, reverend. >> krystal, let me start with you. romney is falling behind not because he's a bad candidate. are voters rejecting his ideas as well? >> absolutely. as much as he's tried to hide behind the mask, democrats have been happy to fill in exactly what he stands for and what he's been saying in this election and i think he really sealed his fate. the 47% video was the nail in the coffin. really, he sealed his fate long ago when he was supporting things like personhood, an extreme piece of legislation that it was actually -- it actually failed in mississippi, the most pro life state in the country, focusing on things like self deportation, supporting the paul ryan budget, calling it marvelous, voucher rising medicare. these are wildly unpopular policies that he has stood for and he may not be willing but the democrats are happy to fill in those detail and it's his ideas at the core. >> aside from the politics and the polls -- and we'll go through some of those numbers, i think that when americans hear the choices of the perspective and world view, the big picture view of each candidate, they begin making basic decisions. the reason that 47% tape i think was so powerful against romney is it gave a world view of how he sees the country. >> right. >> and i think that's why we started seeing a whole shift in these polls. >> yeah, i think that's right, reverend. the mask thing by itself is not just positive because we have to remember that there were more george w. bush masks sold in 2000 and al gore actually won that election. so i'm not sure that we can be entirely sure there but it is one kernel there and that's where people are actually focused the most because they are seeing the ads, they are seeing the candidates and hearing the messages. i suspect what is going on there is they are hearing mitt romney's message and he is not as attractive as he would have always been if they had some theoretical republican candidate out there. the contrast where it's being drawn the most firmly is working to obama's favor. >> and i rarely get to correct dana milbank, but i would beg to argue that you forgot the hanging masks of 2008. >> i was counting the ralph nadar masks. >> krystal, let me come back to you. let's look at the poll number. president obama leads romney in swing state polls of nbc news polls show him up seven points in new hampshire, even though mr. romney has a home in new hampshire. he's up two points in nevada and north carolina. this comes up on top of other polls, like he's up ten points in ohio. foints. no republican has won without idaho. ohio. these are very solid numbers even though no matter how you try and do the margin of error, he is up. >> the president is up in basically every swing state that you can look out, including ones like north carolina where he won very narrowly. if you look at ohio and pennsylvania, the lead is particularly dramatic and that is driven by the fact that mitt romney is such a poor candidate because he sent job overseas, he worked at bain capital directly impacted people there. and also another thing i wop point to in ohio in particular, he was forced to come out and support the anti-union sb-5 ballot initiative during the primary campaign and that left a negative taste in voters' mouths in ohio as well. >> and sp-5 was defeated? >> that's right. soundly. >> dana, the fact that these poll numbers are going against mr. romney, you wouldn't -- you couldn't tell by talking to governor romney after campaigning the last two days. take a listen. >> it is an honor to be here with you and to be here with these cadets and to be at this extraordinary place that so many presidents past have visited and a president future is visiting today. >> and when i become president of the united states -- i'm going to win pennsylvania and become the next president of the united states. >> all candidates say that but isn't that naive when you're 12 points behind in pennsylvania to be saying that? >> yeah. he's not going to win pennsylvania any more than he is going to win california or new york. of course he says that sort of thing. i was at his event in virginia and he said, if i become president -- and then he said, when i become president. you've got to look at these blind quotes, unnamed quotes coming from people on his campaign staff and they are really murderous things that they are say. he'd be a great commander in chief. he's just a lousy candidate. you already see his own people getting their disstrans from him. i think that's more indicative than any other individual poll. >> let me show you something very interesting, krystal. i'm going to give you an example of how his message is really not resonating. look at this graphic about the most watched youtube videos. president obama's dnc speech, 4.9 million people went to. clinton's dnc speech, 3.95 million went to. romney's 47% video, the lead video, 47%, 3.4 million people went to it cht clint eastwood's speech with the empty chair, 3.2 million. michelle obama's dnc speech, 3.2 million. romney's rnc speech, 1.1 million. >> that's pretty unbelievable chart right there. when you're losing to clint eastwood's empty chair speech by 2.1 million people, that's unreal. >> when you do a video of you talking about 47% by 2.3 million. >> that's unreal. and i think you hit on something very key here, which is when people watch that 47% video, they've been trying to get a sense, who is this man really? he's been all over the board. he was the moderate governor of massachusetts. now he's spouting these tea party talking points. who is he really? and when they saw that video, they said, ah, this is who is he at his core and we don't like it. >> well, krystal ball and dana milbank, thank you for your time and have a good weekend. be sure to check out krystal right here on "the cycle" here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. >>> the real voter in america is coming from the americans. a gop operative is being investigated for hundreds of cases of potential fraud, including registering dead people to vote as republicans. plus, weak tea. the tea party is down and out. does this mean the right will finally actually try to get something done? >>> and mitt romney's campaign is off course and sinking fast. and republicans are starting to jump ship. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >> republican insiders say that the romney campaign should not hamper paul ryan and let ryan be ryan. no, i think if republican insiders had their way, they might let ryan beat romney. if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ...nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. snoop folks, have you checked us out on facebook? the "politicsnation" conversation is going all day long. today's hot topic was the right wing voter fraud coming out of florida. tammi says, they accuse the democrats of shenanigans when they are the ones up to no good. and dana says, nice try republicans, but we gotcha. nice one, dana. we've got the full report on that fraud, by the way, coming up next. >>> but, first, we want to hear what you think. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. my doctor told me calcium is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal slow release continuously releases calcium plus d with efficient absorption in one daily dose. citracal slow release. >>> tonight i'd like to introduce you to the hms romney. that's right, the hms romney was actually a real ship. sent to the british harbor in 1768 to make sure the colonists sent enough in taxes. sure to make sure that people paid enough in taxes. ironic, isn't it? almost 250 years later there's a new romney on the high satiseas. this one, is of course, taking on water and they are not quite sure what the captain is up to or even why he's the captain. here's what ultra rich republican bill marriott of the marriott hotel chain said last night about why his good friend mitt should guide our ship of state. >> both men have vacation homes and a few summers ago i was taking my grandchildren and children to town in the boat for ice cream and we got into the dock and they were all full and we looked around and there was no place to park. i finally found a place to park after 20 minutes and i said, who is going to grab the rope and i looked up and there was mitt romney. he pulled me in, tied the boat and he rescued me just as he is going to rescue this great country. >> mitt romney helped a rich buddy park his late yacht and that's why he should be president? this campaign has lost touch with reality and it's no wonder republicans are jumping ship. they are blaming romney himself for the flailing campaign and saying, in the end, it's mitt. look out below, republicans are jumping ship faster than you can say hms romney. joining me now is erin mcpike, national political reporter for "real clear politics" and jonathan, writer for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> jonathan, if romney doesn't make a change, are we going to see more and more republicans jumping ship, in your opinion? >> sure. we've been listening to and watching republicans express concern about mitt romney since he became -- since before he became the nominee. he wasn't conservative enough. his ideas weren't conservative enough. once he got the nomination, those concerns started becoming louder and louder and ever since charlotte, since conventions were done and since president obama shot out of charlotte with the convention bounds, the alarms have been ringing louder and louder by conservatives. peggy noonan, rich lowry, bill crystal, all of these folks expressing extreme concern about this candidate and where he's taking the party and where he's taking the conservative movement. so i think if things keep going the way they are going, i think you can hit that fog horn button a few more times and a few more splashes will happen. >> now, erin, we're also hearing leading republicans and saying things political reported that republicans are losing faith in romney's ability to win. one high ranking romney campaign said, a lousy candidate and republicans repeatedly call romney too rich to care. one romney donor even tells politico he's missing the normal guy gene. i mean, these are republicans and people in his campaign, erin. >> sure. but as jonathan noted, people have been making this criticism of romney all year, going back to the new hampshire primary when he said, i like to fire people. this is something that has gotten increasingly worse for mitt romney because he wasn't been able to change how he is. that is always going to be a problem for him. absolutely. >> well, it's going to be a continuing problem because jonathan, charlie cook wrote today in the national journal that unless mitt romney does something to change his campaign, gop donors may abandon him like they did bob dole in 1996. romney faces the very real prospect that republican donors super pacs and other parts of the gop support structure will towards helping him and towards a last-ditch senate majority and a senate house majority. >> the problem that mitt romney has, he now has less than 40 days to turn this thing around. this is a man who has been running for president for six years and now it boils down to 40 days, three debates, one more if you include the vice presidential debate to try to convince the american people who are now really paying attention that he is the person to replace president obama in office. and it just doesn't seem like that it's working. again, we've got 40 day. less than 40 day. so anything can happen. after all, this is politics. but it seem highly unlikely. >> now, erin, but at the same time, isn't it a little kind of cynical for some of the republicans to act like it's just romney and not the ideas and the policies of the republicans? because i'm starting to see a strategy here of sacrifice romney but it's not our ideas, it's not our policies, it's just that he's a bad candidate. is it in many ways reflected -- is it not in many ways reflected by the polls that is both of the ideas are being rejected by a lot of americans? >> well, if you talk to strategists who are running some of the republican campaigns for senate, let's say, what they are saying is they want to find a way to run ahead of mitt romney because they do think the campaign has not been run very well and he's not going to provide them with good co coattails. they are making their own arguments and it's possible what you are saying is true, certainly, but we'll have to see how the senate candidates are doing. that tells you something is wrong with the candidate, and not necessarily the republican party although it's clear that they have shifted far to the right and that will affect the turnout in the swing states that have very diverse demographic groups. >> jonathan, when we look at the pollings on tax cuts for the rich and who is doing better with the economy and all sorts of social issues that they've raised, these on issues, independent candidates, they are losing on the issues. they are losing on the big picture policy items. >> right. look, you're talking about a republican party, as erin said, that has swung so far to the right that, you know, even if mitt romney tried to pivot to the middle, he would still be far and to the right. these are ideas that are radical, even, and the american people have shown time and time again that this is not what they want. paul ryan got booed at the aarp because of what he's proposed for appealing obama care and his own budget, i think, if they knew all of the things in it they would continue to boo. as someone said on the previous show, the personhood amendment, or maybe it was krystal, it went down in mississippi, probably the most conservative state in the union. this is a conservative idea that's been pushed and rejected. >> that's why it's just beyond the individual candidate, though they are going to try to just dump it all on romney, i think. thank you both. i have to leave it there. but before we go, if you just want to happen to know what happened to the first hms romney, the ship ran aground in 1804 after losing its way in some thick fog. i wonder if this romney will suffer a similar fate. >> thank you both for your time. have a great weekend. >> thank you, you, too. >> it turns out there is voter fraud in america. what is being done by republicans. new investigations against the gop operative working in four states, including florida. but, first, we have the 411 on the right wing's bogus complaint about obama phones. stay with us. >> people are clamoring for more taxes from the romney campaign. today the romney campaign had this to say. >> good news, america. mitt romney recognizes that they want additional information. today he's releasing his last ten years of taxadermy. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. 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>> well, that's right. strateg strategic allied consulting is the name of the firm run out of arizona and it was paid over $3 million to register republican voters in five battleground state. the problem began in palm beach county, of all places, when the election supervisor spotted 106 suspicious forms submitted by one of the firm's employees. these included similar signatures on the forms. in other words, they all looked alike, like one person had signed them. others had links to show them to a gas station and a land rover dealership. she reported this to the state's attorneys office to see who signed them. at the same time, there are at least seven other counties that have reported similarities on forms submitted by employees throughout this one firm. i've confirmed today, this florida secretary of state's office has asked for a statewide criminal inquiry into the firm by the florida department of law enforcement. the republican national committee in damage control has fired the firm across the country and the florida republican party has submitted its own complaint against the firm to the secretary of state's office. i have talked to nathan spool. he says he's the victim here. it was bad apples that he hired here to register voters across the country but i think some people are asking questions where there was certain oversight that should have been done by the party in florida and perhaps the rnc as well as to how the firm is conducting the business. >> how possible is it that the gop knew something was going on? >> well, look, there's no evidence of that. we do know that sprool has had a somewhat controversial past. he's been accused of election irregularities going back to 2004 when democrats accused him of throwing away voter registration forms. no criminal charges were filed against him but it is interesting that sprool has said that the strategic allied consulting was only formed in june, that it was formed under this different name, a new name, so that democrats and the media would not raise questions tieing it back to him and make issues of the controversies that have surrounded him in the past. so there was a little bit of subtrifuge in the formation of the firm. >> interesting. michael isakoff, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> speaking about republican voter fraud in florida, i had jim greer, the florida chair of the former -- the former florida chair of the republican party on the show and he told me what this is really all about. watch. >> i sat in on many meetings where it was discussed of how to make sure that what happened in 2008, when president obama brought out the college age voter, the minority voters, never happened again. make sure the republican party has an advantage in this upcoming election by reducing early voting, putting roadblocks up for potential voter, latinos, african-americans to exercise their right to vote. >> let's bring in melissa harris-perry. what do you make of this ironic twist in the voter fraud story? >> i think there's a couple of important points here. one, the things that republicans have been doing in state legislatures across the country to so-call address voter fraud, things like ending early voting, limiting the hours of the polls and, of course, the i am poe significance of voter i.d., none of those measures would impact the kind of voter fraud that it looks like we're seeing currently in florida. so whether or not the gop was itself part of what this firm is doing, what we do know is that their so-called remedies, voter suppression efforts, do nothing to address this kind of fraud. and the other thing that i think is really important here is it reminds us how antiquated our election system is, that we are still dealing with paper and pencil. i mean, my students at universities don't even turn in paper that way. we have much more sophisticated ways of registers voters and just how little investment there's been in this country of bringing us into the 21st century. >> isn't it interesting that isakoff says that the group that's been given millions of dollars now -- >> yep. >> only formed in june? why would you hire a group that just started and give the millions of dollars to do registration at the same time that you're running around the country dealing with voter fraud and if it hadn't been for groups like ours and others, it wouldn't have become a national issue? >> and especially in florida where what they tried to do was limit the ability of third parties to do voter registration at all where you had decades old -- >> around voter registration? >> around voter registration. they tried to limit these third parties from being able to do that and at the same time that they are bringing in this sort of so-called new kid on the block. isakoff is right, this is someone that's long been there and just changed their name. >> and that's the point. if they didn't have some knowledge of who the person was, you wouldn't give millions of dollars to an outfit a month or two old. >> well, you might. >> but the fact of the matter is, while we're seeing all of these state laws changing, the irony is this allegation with this guy in florida. but at the same time we're still fighting these laws that are really inhibiting people when there's no fraud. >> that's right. and people who have every right to vote, who should simply be able to show up and vote, and particularly when you look at pennsylvania and the madness going on there, these are suppress sif efforts. >> thank you, melissa. be sure to watch melissa harr harris-perry right here at 10:00 a.m. on msnbc on saturday and sunday. >>> not any more and he's their guy and they are not hiding it now. >>> plus, you won't believe what a republican volunteer said about the president while trying to drum up support for mitt romney. we'll play you the tape. 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[ crowd gasps ] [ woman ] reverend? ♪ can i have some? ♪ >>> two years ago the tea party rode into washington thinking they own the place. then came the obstruction, the outbursts, the disrespect. well, we're starting to see them crack. take in the gop candidate for the senate, richard murdoch. he bragged about refusing to compromise. >> i certainly think that bipartisanship ought to consist of democrats coming to the republican point of view. >> bipartisanship means they have to come our way. >> but today we're learning he's changing his tune to woo indiana moderates. all of a sudden he says he'll support parts of president obama's health care law, protect social security and medicare and even entertain the idea of compromise. why the sudden change of heart? could it be because he's losing his senate race and we're seeing the tea party stars fighting for their political lives. america's rejecting radicalism. as i always say, do unpopular things, become unpopular. with the tea party decline, will the parties be able to get something done in washington after the election is the question. joining me now, karen finney, msnbc political analyst and former communications director of the democratic national committee and e.j. dionne, columnist for "the washington post," and he's writing today about whether this election can fix what is wrong thanks to both of you for being here. what has to happen to get washington working again? >> well, i think -- i'm really glad you're doing this segment. because if president obama does win this election, one of the biggest debates, important to everybody and not just republicans, would be the debate inside the republican party about why they lost. and the right wing is going to want to blame romney, say he didn't present them and we have a stake with the tea party and the right. if, however, the republicans start losing some of these seats, losing and walsh and bachmann and allen west, then it's going to be harder for the right end of the party to argue our ideas went untainted and i think if some of these folks actually lose the election, the more moderate conservatives in the party will be able to say, this wasn't just about romney. this was about a set of ideas that put us way outside the mainstream and that's why these races and others like them really matter. >> karen, in light of that, because that is exactly what i'm driving at -- >> yep. >> joe walsh is running against tam knee duck worth in illinois. he's losing the race by 14 points. some of the biggest tea party seats in the house are being challenged. michele bachmann swept into office in 2010 with a 13-point lead. now she's only two points ahead of her opponent. allen west, nine-point lead in 2010 has turned into a statistical dead heat in 2012. congressman steve king held an impressive 33% lead in 2010, is now down to single digits. is this a rejection of their ideas and could lead to the country moving away from this extreme right philosophy in terms of a takeover by politics in washington? >> yes, if as president obama said, because he was right when he said that real power is not here in washington, you don't change washington from the inside, it does mean that people from the outside, it's not just about who gets elected. that's very important. and then people outside of washington have to keep the pressure on their members of congress to hold them accountable for what they said they were going to do. when we've seen people do that over the course of the last couple of years, that's the only time we've actually ever seen congress act that or coming to a fiscal cliff and over a deadline. you know, rev, i like what you're saying. i think we do not fully do our job back in 2010 and understand the tea party. we easily bought into the narrative and i think there was a whole astro turf movement with dick armey and not fully understanding that you can win with the radical ideas in gerimander districts maybe once but you cannot win statewide and you did not win a presidential election given the changing demographics of the country. you simply cannot. >> e.j., they were beating a drum about the deficit which is important but when you look at the concerns of american, let's look at the top five concerns. one, the economy. two, jobs. three, health care. four, education. five was the budget deficit. so no one's minimizing the importance of the deficit but there really is not a program that deals with the other four and they are using extreme measures and cutting up various entitlements and americans that want to deal with the deficit. >> i think what happened in 2010 and democrats in a way allowed this to happen is that the republicans succeeded in making the deficit a central issue and a stand in for people's economic worries across the board. >> right. >> i think now it's much clearer to people that these two things are related but they are quite separate and there are moments when balancing the budget or cutting spending on things like schools and public safety can actually make unemployment worse. i think something else important has happened, which is the health care law was very unpopular on election day back then. the health care law is gaining ground. and they were demobilized, the democrats last time. they are not demobilized this time. >> they were strutting around, the tea partyiers in their outfits and rallies. where is the big strut? you couldn't go to warning tshi without seeing them. i haven't seen any of the tea party rallies. what happened? >> the last rally they tried to have was dramatically reduced in size. what happened, again, is we started to hear and see these stories that there were tea party people disappointed with the results that they were getting out of washington and, again, i think that people bought into the rhetoric. shame on democrats. we did not do a great job in 2010. so they strutted in and m misinterpreted what the election was about. here's the thing, voters also learned from, thanks to the tea party, you better have the details. talk about the deficit and tell me the details. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you, karen. thank you, e.j. dionne. both of you have a great weekend. thank you for your time. >> you, too. >> we'll be right back. 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paul ryan that i'm not sure they're that concerned about help anymore. but if obama is smart, he'll take this smack up side the head to get fired up again and go out there and start reminding people, which he should have done last night, about kind of what romney's been campaigning on for the previous 18 months. >> let's take what michelle just said, david. ryan. he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter. if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't know if they don't matter. >> sarah palin, people watched it the way you watch a nascar race with a fascination that there may be an accident or a wreck. but with the debate coming up, there is this tension on the ticket, republican ticket, between paul
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fetch a health insurance policy? one last pair of questions. did he know mitt romney just said we don't let people die in their apartments, we take them to the emergency room, that that is his health care plan? did the president know that romney had said people who didn't have continuing coverage shouldn't get covered for pre-existing conditions, that it was simply their fault for not having paid up all those years? the whole thing, the whole thing last night could have gone a whole different way. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead. the real mitt romney. there's been a lot of talk about last night's debate. who won, who lost. but the real debate last night was between mitt romney and mitt romney. and being so contradictory, mr. romney opened a huge line of attack for the president. not just for 90 minutes, but for the 33 days until this election. and today in a blistering speech, the president took full advantage of the opportunity that romney's dishonest performance invited. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney. because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. the real mitt romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms. but don't boo, vote. but the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers. can't get enough of them. the mitt romney we all know invested in companies that were called pioneers of outsourcing jobs to other countries. but the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that there are such laws that encourage outsourcing. he's never heard of them. never heard of them never heard of tax breaks company for companies that ship jobs overseas. he said if it's true, he must need a new accountant. now, we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant. so you see, the man on stage last night, he does not want to be held accountable for the real mitt romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. and that's because he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. >> here's the point. mitt romney knows americans didn't want what is an unfair plans and that's why a decoy mitt showed up last night. but here's the thing. we're not going to let him get away with it and neither should you. head over to our facebook page where we're showing the details of the romney hypocrisy on issue after issue. he can't hide his true record. he can't attack health coverage and then get away with saying things like this. >> number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. >> oh, really? is that so? well, here's what the real romney says on the campaign trail. >> i will repeal obamacare and i'll stop this its tracks on day one. i will act to repeal obamacare. i will repeal obamacare. >> of course i'm going to appeal obamacare. i've said that on the campaign trail i think every single day. obamacare must be repealed in its entirety. >> he'd repeal it in its entirety. he'd scrap the whole thing. forget about pre-existing conditions. forget about kids on their parents' plan. last night, this new romney also smiled into the camera and said he just loves regulations. >> regulation is essential. you can't have a free market work if you don't have regulation. as a business person, i had to have -- i needed to know the regular places. i needed them there. you couldn't have people opening up banks in their garage and making loans. you have to have regulations so that you can have an economy work. every free economy has good relati regulation. >> every good economy has good regulation. great point. why don't you tell to this guy. >> if i'm the president of the united states, we're going to rein back the regulations. we're not going to expand regulation. >> burdensome regulations serve only to restrict freedom and imperil enterprise. >> you see, last night as i watched the debate, many people that i work with, many people that i know in and around the country, were worried about whether the president was on his game. i was being ensuggested when someone can tell me something for 18 months and then tell me in one night the complete opposite, and i'm not going to get offended, when someone can tell me they're going to deregulate and then come back and tell me they're going to regulate, someone's going to tell me they'll take health care, they don't care about people with pre-existing conditions and then change it, when someone stands up and said i want state's rights on health care and everything else, women, minorities and others will hear health care and other things under states' rights and knowing we suffered under states' rights, no, others can talk about whether the president was on his game or not and maybe he wasn't. but i want to know what game we're going to play in 33 days if this man is allowed to continue. joining me now, bob shrum, democratic strategist, senior adviser to the kerry and gore campaigns who also ran ted kennedy's campaign against romney in 1994. he's writing in the daily beast oig today saying romney won the debate, but it was no game changer. and jared bernstein, msnbc contributor and former chief economist for vice president joe biden. bb, let me start with you. what are your thoughts? >> first of all, romney won a victory that was a victory of performance art built on a whole set of lies. i think people have counted up to 28 to 30 lies. and i actually think the president deserves some credit for at a couple of critical points holding romney accountable. it's a big victory to get romney to own voucher care as a replacement for medicare and the president also took romney on when he said no one over 65 will be affected because of the rebeautiful obamacare in fact as the president pointed out, seniorses will pay $600 more for prescription drugs and the medicare trust if you said will expire eight years sooner. secondly the president talked straight to 50 and 55-year-olds and said do you really want to replace medded care with voucher care? romney is now lashed to the idea. >> he definitely did. jared, let me go into the facts about the $5 trillion tax plan that romney all of a sudden got amnesia about last night. the facts of the plan is it was deemed, quote, not mathematically possible. it would raise taxes on 95% of americans, all while giving the top 0.1% a $250,000 tax cut. these are the facts. you're the economist. how does he have it both ways? >> well, it's pretty hard to misplace 5 trillion bucks like that, but that's kind of what happened. i thought bob's points were exactly the right place to go with this. let's look at the facts of the case. if you're going to cut taxes 20% across the board, you're going it blow a $5 trillion hole over ten years in the government's revenue. now, what governor romney says is i can make that up by closing tax expenditures and loopholes, but there's two problems with that. one, the arithmetic. if you you just look at people over $200,000, if you just look at the wealthiest couple of percent, the revenue cuts about $250 billion and the deductions, the broadening of the base gets you back about 160. so you're short about 90 billion. there's the math right there. and i heard absolutely nothing last night in a makes those numbers magically work out. in fact one of the things that governor romney said last night, he said, quote, i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. now, this is a guy going around talking about the extent of his tax cuts. he said i will not reduce the taxes paid. a lot of people are scratching their heads. >> and they'll keep scratching. let me tell you something very interesting, bob. there was another candidate for president who also argued his tax cuts wouldn't benefit the rich. he said it during a presidential debate on the exact same date, october 3rd, in 2000. a debate that also was moderated by jim lehrer. >> the fact is the wealthiest may more taxes. if you're a family of four making $50,000 ins massachusetts, you get a 50% tax cut. >> now, here's mr. george bush same day, 2000. same moderator making the same promise. it didn't work then. why would we believe the same day, same party, same kind of political philosophy now? >> we won't believe it because we've lived through it and we found out that it was a fraud. look, what the average middle class family got out of the bush tax cut was equivalent to enough money to buy an extra diet coke a day. who is going to believe mitt romney when he gets up there and said, look, i'm going to take care of the mid class, no tax increases on the middle class, no tax cuts for the wealthy. he's mr. 47%. he's spent the whole year deriding the majority of american hes and catering to people at the very top. i think jared's absolutely right. these numbers not only don't add up, but if romney is ever forced to specify any of these deductions, what about home interest mortgage, what about state and local taxes? i mean, that would be a massive body blow to the middle class families of this country. >> let me say i'm very glad you played that clip from president bush for the following reason. we talk about something where i work at the center on budget called the tax reform trap. and here's how it goes. a candidate says i'm going to lower the tax rates but i'm going to broaden the tax base. what you get is lower rates, you get a lot of the former, you get very little of the latter. because like bob says, once you start going into how you're going to broaden the base, then it's don't look at me, look at the other guy. so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you were an average person sitting at home last night, you said, wait a minute, i suspect that guy romney's going to increase my taxes. wait a minute, i'm a senior. it will cost me $600 more for prescription drugs. i think those are the things that are important to voters and that's why i think the president's performance last night is a little underrated. >> that's what i felt immediately last night. i can say a lot of people say romney won. some say the president won. there's no doubt in my mind who took a whooping last night, the truth. bob, jared, thanks for your time this evening. >> thanks. you were great last night. >> thank you. >>> coming up, foul play. what the heck did big bird ever do to mitt romney? it was one of the real bird brain moments from the debate. and the president's calling him out on it. >> we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal deficit. but that's what we heard last night. how about that. elmo, too? >> plus fighting for the middle class. will romney's smoke and mirrors on stage matter to folks in key states and a key state like ohio? we'll talk about it with ohio's democratic senator sherrod brown. plus, one of romney's top surrogates makes some outrageous and offensive comments about the president. >> he has been what i zi and disengaged. when you're not that bright, you can't get better prepared. >> lazy? not that bright? time for romney's campaign to show some respect and kick this by by to the curb. questions? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! 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>> they care about policy.ton, . >> do voters in ohio care more about performance or policy? >> they care about policy. you start with the auto rescue. president obama knows that 800,000 jobs in ohio are connected to the auto industry directly or indirectly. tens of thousands probably hundreds of those were in jeopardy when he took office in 2009. now we see the auto industry coming back and you can whether my opponent or mitt romney, they were on the wrong side of the auto rescue and nothing builds the middle class in ohio better than a vie brant auto industry. and i wish they had debated it last night. i wish people could have seen the stark difference between their way of kind of tax cuts for the rich trickle down, although romney denied that, but versus starting with the middle qulags a qul class and growing out. that's why we're coming back in ohio. >> in ohio, the auto industry is very important there. and mr. romney said let detroit go bankrupt and mr. romney and your opponent were not for the bailout. as you move around the state in your race, what are you hearing from people around these kinds of issues, senator? >> i'm hearing how important the auto rescue was and is. i was at columbus castings today, one of the oldest company, 110-year-old company on parsons avenue in columbus, they care about china and enforcing trade rules and standing up on currency. we did a discussion with a bunch of workers and with leaders and management in the company both about how important my bill is, largest bipartisan jobs bill that passed the senate. speaker boehner won't move on it. we're asking people to organize at sherrod, sign up to make sure that we can level the playing field with china. that's clearly what obama is doing on enforcing trade rules. it's important we're aggressive there. we do that, american companies can do just fine competing enter that goesly. that's all we ask is a level playing field. i want a president that will stand with me on that with ohio workers, with ohio companies. you can see that throughout the midwest. that's one reason i think the president is doing pretty well in this state. >> now, the president is doing well in ohio. you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with independent voters and/or undecided voters in your state of ohio? >> i don't think so. i think people realize that governor romney is still wrong on medicare and still wrong on trade and still wrong on jobs and still wrong on the middle class. i think that's increasingly clear. again it goes back to which path do you go. do you want to go back to the trickle down economics you give tax cuts to the rich and hope it helps the middle class or do you focus on the middle class and that's trait enforcement, it's i don't think training at community colleges like columbus state and sinclair. it's working on auto trade, all of those issues that really do help a vibrant middle class grow. and the economy grows out from there. and i think that's the fork in the road in this election. whether it's a senate race in ohio or whether the presidential race nationally. >> senator, you to look in the camera and answer me directly. will barack obama and sherrod brown will ohio? >> yeah, i think we both will. so goes ohio, so goes the nation. and president obama is doing well here because he makes a distinction. are you for the middle class or are you for helping the 47% and hoping it trickles down. and the voters don't think that way. the voters ultimately dwont look at conservative/liberal, they look at who is on your side and it's pretty clear in the race for the senate and ohio, that's why so many people are coming up to sherrod and signing up to help us and it's pretty clear with the presidential race. p. >> no republican ever won without winning ohio. senator share read brown, thanks for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. thanks reverend al. >>> still ahead, save big bird. he's now working for food. he's on the unemployment line. so what is with governor romney's obsession with firing big bird? 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[ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8... big bird holding a sign will work for food. and big bird on an old time unemployment line. here he is as part of the 47%. and the count assuring big bird romney's math doesn't add up. and the sesame street gang warning romney you diss big bird, you diss all of us. sure it's childish and funny, but it's serious, too. his big plan to cut the deficit is it fire big bird? what did big bird ever do to you? tax cuts for big oil? no problem. trillions for defense, go right ahead. but big bird has to go is this get the bird who teaches our kids out of here? the president responded today. >> last night governor romney ruled out raising a dime of taxes on anybody ever no matter how much money they make, he ruled out closing the loophole that gives oil companies $4 billion in corporate welfare. and when he was asked what he'd actually do to cut the deficit, and reduce spending, he said he'd eliminate funding for public television. we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal deficit. but that's what we heard last night. the fact is governor romney's math just doesn't add up. >> the math doesn't add up? umm. maybe mr. romney needs a little sesame street. joining me now is david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones, and an msnbc political analyst, and michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "daily beast." thank you both for joining me. michelle, mitt romney doesn't like to give specifics, but when it comes to big bird, no problem. >> well, no problem except it was one of the few memorable moments of the debates and everybody jumped on it and you have all of these big bird jokes making the rounds which can get people thinking. so what else is he going to cut? he's been very, very careful not to get into specifics. and let's face it, you know, firing big bird's not going to close the gaps in the numbers that he's talking about. his budget will call for cuts in lots of other very serious programs and you tonight want people to start thinking about the specifics because while the idea of cutting government always appeals, when you start talking about programs that people like, they start to get really twitchy. >> that may be why he won't get specific, but i will. mr. corn, let's go to you. the federal subsidy for pbs in 2012 doesn't make up a huge part of this deficit. for example, 2012, the federal subsidy for pbs was $444 million. if you compare that to romney's plan for the federal budget, you'll see how miniscule it is. pbs subsidy, $444 million. but if you look at the tax breaks to oil and gas companies that romney defended last night, those add up to $4 billion this year alone. and take a look at mitt romney's plan for the defense budget. he wants to increase spending by $2 trillion over the next ten years. so, i mean, big bird is a big diversion to what he's really talking about in terms of the deficit. >> well, i think those of us out here crave specifics from governor romney. and when he's talked about this in the past, he's often thrown big bird under the bus. i don't know what would happen if he threw big bird under the bass. maybe the bus would go off the road. but never the let's, he has this little set piece he does. do you want to know what i'll cut? i'll cut pbs and big bird, the national endowment of humanities and the amtrak subsidy. you add that all up, those are the only specifics we've gotten out of him during this campaign about budget cuts, and you get $2 million mainly because the amtrak subsidy 1.4. so that's what you get, $2 billion when he's talking about a $5 trillion tax break for the wealthy. so we're about 1/10 of 1% of what he wants tos to do here. and the president i think missed his opportunity last night to try to pin him down on this as well as the tax deductions and we talked about that earlier with robert slum. but people have to look at the math. >> the president came back today because this is really about fairness and priorities. >> country doesn't succeed when we only see the rich getting richer, with you succeed when the middle class gets bigger. we grow our economy not from the top down, but from the middle out. we don't believe that anybody's entitled to success in this country but we do believe in something called opportunity. we believe in a country where hard work pays off and where responsibility is rewarded and everybody is getting a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody plays by the same rules. that's the country we believe in. here in america, we believe we're all in this together. we understand america's not about what can be done for us, it's about what can be done by us together as one nation and as one people. you understand that. >> michelle, did romney inadvertently leave an opening for the president by committing himself to some of the things that he really has not represented and really represented the other side, and by saying some things last night the hard right really doesn't agree with? >> well, it was a different romney everyone's been pointing out. the people i was watching the debate with were screaming at the screen. and i'm not talking about liberal obama supporters. just about the inconsistencieses that romney was talking about. his claiming he would never consider tax cuts for the upper brackets. things like this that i think people are going to smack him for his lack of consistency and everybody's going to be talking about, you know, where did this romney come from p abo. and it has to make his base a little nervous, although i'm sure he did it with a wink wink. at this point he's done so much to assure them that he's on their team including picking paul ryan that i'm not sure they're that concerned about help anymore. but if obama is smart, he'll take this smack up side the head to get fired up again and go out there and start reminding people, which he should have done last night, about kind of what romney's been campaigning on for the previous 18 months. >> let's take what michelle just said, david. ryan. he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't know if they don't matter. >> sarah palin, people watched it the way you watch a nascar race with a fascination that there may be an accident or a wreck. but with the debate coming up, there is this tension on the ticket, republican ticket, between paul ryan who campaigns and gave the speech remember at the convention, there was archly ideological about creating a new world that the president has described at darwinian and pessimistic and dark. and he gives joe biden a lot of lines of attack on the ryan budget, the medicare plan and all those things. the one thing that ryan has done for the last two years has been very, very, did i say very, very specific about all these things. so he can't do the peer wets the way mitt romney did, but i think what joe biden's task is going to be is to bo right past ryan and to usewets the way mitt romney did, but i think what joe biden's task is going to be is to bo right past ryan and to use this occasion to go after the guy he's running with. people don't care that much about ryan, only that he's a stand-in -- >> that's my point, he'll have a hard time defending some of the things mr. romney said last night. guess what, we'll be watching. david and michelle, thanks for your time tonight. >>> and if you liked those big bird photo, head over to our facebook page. we have them all posted there and the facts of romney's wrong priorities. >>> coming up -- disrespect against president obama. a top romney surrogate calls the president of the united states lazy. it's time for leadership. >>> and a criminal probe launched against republicans committing voter fraud. big story out of florida tonight. stay with us. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. 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[ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] >>> we're back with the romney team going ugly. romney's campaign co-chair former new hampshire governor john sununu describing president obama's debate performance today. >> he has been lazy and disengaged and has no idea, not only of his own policies, but has no idea what mitt romney's real policies are. p. >> you don't think there will be a better prepared president obama on stage next week? >> when you're not that bright, you can't get better prepared. >> lazy. not that bright. this is the president of the united states he's talking about. he was pressed about .comment. >> did you really need to call the president of the united states lazy? >> yes. i think you saw him admit it the night before when he delivered the pizzas. he said, you know, they're making me do this work. he didn't want to prepare for this debate. he's lazy and disengaged. >> now, we've seen this disrespect right from day one. it cannot be tolerated. mitt romney must denounce a n sununu's ugly talk. joining me now, opinion writer from the "washington post," and victoria defrancesco, a fellow at the university of texas and an msnbc contributor. thanks both of you for being here tonight. jonathan, calling the president lazy. how does governor romney allow this to be said on his behalf? >> he just allows to be said. this isn't the first time governor sununu has said impertinent things about the president. remember a few months back, he said that the president didn't know what it meant to be an american, questioning the president's americanist, which ties into the whole birther conspiracy, racist conspiracy lie about the president that somehow he was not born in this country and, therefore, is occupying illegally the oval office as president of the united states. and yet there was nothing out of the romney campaign or from the candidate himself denouncing what this sort of cranky uncle of the republican party had to say. but john sununu isn't the only person in the republican party saying impertinent things, disrespectful things about the president and yet no one of any stature in the republican party has had the guts to stand up and say enough of this. >> that's my point, victoria. you've got sununu said he failed to maintain respect for the united states. this is sununu about the president. and then july, i wish this president would learn how to be an american. july again, he says he spent his early days in hawaii smoking something. romney nor any prominent republican has denounced this. you've got the birthers, you've got joe wilson and the media has not pressed romney on whether or not he condones or condemns these kind of statements. >> these petty and personal remarks sadly are not uncharacteristic of john sununu. he has taken up the mantle as a proceed vok tur. but strategy wise, i think this will backfire for the romney camp. coming off of the win that he had last night, what he ideally wants is a focused message and disciplined surrogates. he doesn't want a side show. what's going to happen is those independent voters, those more moderate voters that romney so desperately needs in the swing states of ohio, of pennsylvania, are going to hear these ugly comments and they're going to walk away from him. they don't like the substance and then you add on the style and it's just going to further alienate. >> jonathan, there's also policy. mitt romney's welfare ad claims the president dropped work requirements from welfare. let me splay you t play you the. >> president obama quietly announced a plan for gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements. under obama's plan, you wouldn't have to work and wouldn't have to train for a job. they just send you your welfare check. and welfare to work goes back to being plain old welfare. >> fact checkers have completely debunked the claim, but romney stands by it. but also, doesn't this also play into the stereotypes welfare for no work, lazy? i mean, soon we'll hear lazy and shiftless, i guess. isn't this all the same kind of things implied? >> oh, absolutely. and even after the fact checkers came back and said, hey, governor romney, you and your campaign are running a blatantly false ad, they're still running it. and it's all part of this continuing effort on the romney campaign's part to excite a base that up until last night wasn't terribly excited about its nominee. and the fact that mitt romney is still playing to his base and rather reactionary sliver of his base, you know, at this late date meaning during the general election doesn't say very much about his campaign, doesn't say very much about his chances quite frankly. >> and go back to what i said before, victoria. the media is not pressing romney on it. i mean, they'll go on the right and get five-year-old tapes that everyone already heard and try to make something out of something the president said. here you have new things being said weekly, almost daily, and no one is saying mr. romney, how do you deal with the statements of your sewer rourrogates and w you're saying in your own ads. >> i'm so puzzled by the ad because on the one hand you have the republicans saying they want more states' rights, that they want their states to be lavatories of innovation, that they want more liberty. so the president is giving them that liberty. here, you can work with this. last night we saw governor romney talk extensively about how he has had the liberty at the state level to work with education and health care, but when it comes to welfare, they reject that. and also last night, you made an excellent point by saying, you know, states' rights also entail an ugly underbelly to it, which is the curtailment of individual rights for females, for immigrants and for poor folks. so they want to have their cake and eat it, too. >> thank you for saying that because states' rights is the justification that has been used on every fight for civil rights, women rights, states' rights is really, really apthreat cal to both. the national government has had to protect a lot of citizens against states' rights and for him to go unchallen
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special gifts. as for congressman paul ryan, he's just gushing about the president's skills. >> president obama's a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years, he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> forget my running mate. the president's the guy to watch but not everyone agrees. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. i don't know about that. you know, who's going to put the most points on the board. >> you are. no, no, governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> so they are praising each other. but something tells me we won't see too many compliments on that stage tonight. joining me now is rick stengle, editor of "time"'s magazine called, who is telling the truth, the fact war. what does governor romney need to do tonight, in your opinion? >> one of the things he needs to do is to seem presidential. one of the things that folks haven't been talking about is if you go back to reag
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